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angel4me Champion Author San Jose Posts:2,814 Points:796,045 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 27, 2012 11:35:46 PM Ignore angel4me Report Abuse Quick quiz: Which country is the world’s third-largest emitter of greenhouse gases, after the United States and China? The answer, at least in recent years, has been Indonesia. That’s surprising. It’s not the world’s third-largest economy. It’s not an industrial powerhouse. But Indonesia has been clearing its vast rain forests of late, releasing huge stores of carbon into the air. One culprit has been the country’s fast-growing production of palm oil, an edible vegetable oil that’s increasingly being harvested to make biodiesel fuel for cars and trucks in Europe. This isn’t just a bit of environmental trivia. There’s a fierce battle in the United States over whether the Environmental Protection Agency should allow more diesel made from palm oil to be used by U.S. refineries. Agribusiness Visit The Washington Post for full article

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Quick quiz: Which country is the world’s third-largest emitter of greenhouse gases, after the United States and China?

The answer, at least in recent years, has been Indonesia. That’s surprising. It’s not the world’s third-largest economy. It’s not an industrial powerhouse. But Indonesia has been clearing its vast rain forests of late, releasing huge stores of carbon into the air. One culprit has been the country’s fast-growing production of palm oil, an edible vegetable oil that’s increasingly being harvested to make biodiesel fuel for cars and trucks in Europe.

This isn’t just a bit of environmental trivia. There’s a fierce battle in the United States over whether the Environmental Protection Agency should allow more diesel made from palm oil to be used by U.S. refineries. Agribusiness
Visit The Washington Post for full article

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the1roadhog Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,913 Points:2,057,655 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 8:03:03 AM Ignore the1roadhog Report Abuse Oceans of NatGas in the USA and we're fooling around with palm oil???
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,973 Points:2,119,340 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 7:44:47 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse So can't the actual PRODUCTION of "palm" diesel be allowed, if it doesn't come from deforestation?
carranco Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,027 Points:269,765 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 10:48:07 AM Ignore carranco Report Abuse Government meddlers don't know what the heck they are doing.
bwatchingu Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,750 Points:603,470 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 9:57:58 AM Ignore bwatchingu Report Abuse food for fuel-not good
CVA19 Champion Author Salem Posts:2,393 Points:611,325 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 10:41:27 PM Ignore CVA19 Report Abuse Eco-socialists started the ethanol ball rolling a few decades ago. Now, they are the only ones who worship at the ethanol altar; even scientists have deserted them.
RitaVespa Champion Author Oregon Posts:2,991 Points:794,310 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 8:20:57 PM Ignore RitaVespa Report Abuse I hate it when we use food for vehicle fuel
molebaby96 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:2,126 Points:506,890 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 10:19:26 AM Ignore molebaby96 Report Abuse Looking forward to seeing more on this subject.
johntxx Champion Author Texas Posts:2,795 Points:618,270 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 9:59:40 AM Ignore johntxx Report Abuse You said it Goatroper, "Sometimes "Green" ain't so green."
playtimeCLE Champion Author Cleveland Posts:8,570 Points:1,546,325 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 9:22:47 AM Ignore playtimeCLE Report Abuse People are so desperate for fuel their willing to ruin other things to make it.
Goatroper Champion Author Dallas Posts:6,609 Points:1,296,410 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 9:21:54 AM Ignore Goatroper Report Abuse Sometimes "Green" ain't so green.
Rich1430 All-Star Author Indiana Posts:761 Points:259,590 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 9:05:38 AM Ignore Rich1430 Report Abuse The EPA is an unconstitutional Government Agency and has no business or right to make decisions like this.
SammyAdams Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,061 Points:794,510 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 8:51:14 AM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse To: fracknsave Re: Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 9:21:03 AM (Printed below) "The Economic Prevention Agency has this well in hand." =================================================================== LOL I'll have to remember this one.
fracknsave Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,666 Points:58,000 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 8:21:03 AM Ignore fracknsave Report Abuse The Economic Prevention Agency has this well in hand.
qwerty17 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,660 Points:1,119,625 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 7:49:44 AM Ignore qwerty17 Report Abuse palm this, indonesia.
danandmary Champion Author California Posts:4,203 Points:969,675 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 7:46:00 AM Ignore danandmary Report Abuse Nuts, coconuts!
majormarket All-Star Author Houston Posts:829 Points:791,985 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 7:08:26 AM Ignore majormarket Report Abuse I think the palm oil issue is very analogous to our domestic debate on corn ethanol. We should focus on using stuff that we don't eat to power our cars.
bullet226 Champion Author Toronto Posts:2,716 Points:534,915 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 6:54:34 AM Ignore bullet226 Report Abuse Shouldn't palm oil be for eating?
Evilmaddog Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,332 Points:959,500 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 6:36:02 AM Ignore Evilmaddog Report Abuse just stupidity and greed
dsaine Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,007 Points:634,445 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 6:28:38 AM Ignore dsaine Report Abuse Ok.
FPLREP Champion Author Virginia Posts:8,271 Points:2,450,200 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 5:58:20 AM Ignore FPLREP Report Abuse If it doen't negatively affect the US the EPA will let it slide.
wrunner Champion Author Virginia Posts:4,455 Points:1,138,535 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 5:19:26 AM Ignore wrunner Report Abuse Indonesia will just sell to others who are more than willing to overlook Indonesia's environmental disaster. Indonesia needs to stop clearing it's wild virgin forest is a solution that is hard for Indonesia to accept. For them it would not make economic sense. Business or nature - choose your poison.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,304 Points:2,373,320 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 3:53:00 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse once the epa gets involved we are doomed
comprof Champion Author Houston Posts:6,870 Points:1,358,700 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 12:55:20 AM Ignore comprof Report Abuse If the EPA wants it, it will be a bad decision for America based on their history
uglytom Champion Author Florida Posts:7,464 Points:1,542,015 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2012 12:53:10 AM Ignore uglytom Report Abuse Crucial?