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BurntOrange Champion Author Austin Posts:8,738 Points:1,584,965 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 7:07:46 AM Ignore BurntOrange Report Abuse As a power-hungry Texas looks for more electricity generation, Chamisa Energy thinks a solution is underground: compressed air stored in man-made salt caverns in the Panhandle. The Santa Fe, N.M.-based company has a 514-acre site near Tulia, a small town 50 miles south of Amarillo, that company officials believe is the right mix of geography, geology and timing. The technology is not new, but company officials say using it to maximize wind generation would be a first for Texas. Generators will use wind-generated electricity, mostly at night when power demands are low and prices are cheapest, to compress air into salt caverns that will be carved 2,000 feet below the surface. As the demand for electricity rises during the day, the process is reversed. A mixture of compressed air ... Visit Austin American Statesman for full article

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As a power-hungry Texas looks for more electricity generation, Chamisa Energy thinks a solution is underground: compressed air stored in man-made salt caverns in the Panhandle.

The Santa Fe, N.M.-based company has a 514-acre site near Tulia, a small town 50 miles south of Amarillo, that company officials believe is the right mix of geography, geology and timing.

The technology is not new, but company officials say using it to maximize wind generation would be a first for Texas.

Generators will use wind-generated electricity, mostly at night when power demands are low and prices are cheapest, to compress air into salt caverns that will be carved 2,000 feet below the surface. As the demand for electricity rises during the day, the process is reversed. A mixture of compressed air ...
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1006 Champion Author Birmingham Posts:1,105 Points:1,356,940 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Apr 12, 2012 5:49:35 AM Ignore 1006 Report Abuse and this s an answer to
1006 Champion Author Birmingham Posts:1,105 Points:1,356,940 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Apr 11, 2012 5:57:27 AM Ignore 1006 Report Abuse solution, or we save from their diversion
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,013 Points:600,660 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 12:25:44 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
fuel2use Champion Author Seattle Posts:3,494 Points:734,370 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 9:38:25 AM Ignore fuel2use Report Abuse Gives a ne meaning to blow hard.
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,978 Points:2,119,565 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 7:37:22 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse "... only question is whether the technology is viable with today's low natural gas prices. But he said that is a risk for investors, not ratepayers... " Ok, no worries, be happy!
52MPG Champion Author Dayton Posts:7,272 Points:1,743,655 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 12:12:47 AM Ignore 52MPG Report Abuse I am glad it is private enterprise doing this.
10k Champion Author North Carolina Posts:21,270 Points:2,255,970 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:32:18 PM Ignore 10k Report Abuse sounds like jules verne science fiction to me..
Focus2 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,896 Points:1,920,395 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:23:36 PM Ignore Focus2 Report Abuse Hope it works.
millerin Champion Author Orlando Posts:2,322 Points:483,315 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:21:25 PM Ignore millerin Report Abuse Hmmm....
jkpsr Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,089 Points:1,103,855 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:20:11 PM Ignore jkpsr Report Abuse This just another way to store energy. The TVA pumps water into their reservoirs when demand is low, then generate electricity when needed. Same idea, but using water,
SparkieMi Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:3,272 Points:590,355 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:19:32 PM Ignore SparkieMi Report Abuse Time will tell....
Vette1967 Champion Author Albany Posts:5,977 Points:1,277,950 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:17:33 PM Ignore Vette1967 Report Abuse Kinda like a crude version of flywheel technology.
ljmh Champion Author Akron Posts:3,047 Points:551,060 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:17:30 PM Ignore ljmh Report Abuse New idea
Matt G Champion Author Boston Posts:4,543 Points:2,774,990 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:15:46 PM Ignore Matt G Report Abuse Ok
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,863 Points:1,614,950 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:15:25 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse Some manner of storage is necessary to make wind power viable; this sounds like an interesting possibility if the efficiency is high enough.
gumbyrex Champion Author Fresno Posts:3,311 Points:761,240 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:14:37 PM Ignore gumbyrex Report Abuse What a novel idea.
Bigwaynef Champion Author South Carolina Posts:11,488 Points:2,082,710 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:14:37 PM Ignore Bigwaynef Report Abuse They have found oil there sometimes...
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,906 Points:774,220 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:13:07 PM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse Could be an answer....
sammy518 Champion Author Austin Posts:2,589 Points:539,790 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:12:27 PM Ignore sammy518 Report Abuse ok
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:10,547 Points:1,860,320 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:12:11 PM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse love to see more
chuckwthompson Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,765 Points:579,135 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:12:10 PM Ignore chuckwthompson Report Abuse Let me know how that works out for you!
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:11:29 PM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse If it works. How much do they know about the reaction of salt under their proposed conditions?
tutaw Champion Author Kentucky Posts:3,613 Points:844,695 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:08:31 PM Ignore tutaw Report Abuse really
edgarCA Champion Author Oakland Posts:1,581 Points:241,770 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:08:11 PM Ignore edgarCA Report Abuse Happy Easter
vrossi46 Champion Author San Jose Posts:2,682 Points:806,870 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:07:02 PM Ignore vrossi46 Report Abuse How in the world do they manage to seal it enough
hamdriver Champion Author Lansing Posts:3,479 Points:1,380,000 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:05:47 PM Ignore hamdriver Report Abuse .
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,530 Points:1,671,535 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:05:25 PM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse Sounds good.
hamdriver Champion Author Lansing Posts:3,479 Points:1,380,000 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:05:24 PM Ignore hamdriver Report Abuse Yes
1cheapgasin Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,569 Points:1,211,690 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:03:38 PM Ignore 1cheapgasin Report Abuse .
1cheapgasin Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,569 Points:1,211,690 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:03:26 PM Ignore 1cheapgasin Report Abuse .
jem069 Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,548 Points:689,030 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:02:59 PM Ignore jem069 Report Abuse Ok
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:11,106 Points:1,625,130 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:02:48 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse How wonderful. Perhaps the densified air can share the space underground with all the contaminated fracturing waste water.
lowpet All-Star Author Texas Posts:527 Points:86,915 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:01:22 PM Ignore lowpet Report Abuse I'd like to see it in action
jwkycola All-Star Author Columbia Posts:817 Points:533,900 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:57:28 PM Ignore jwkycola Report Abuse Interesting idea. Might work.
geoag02 All-Star Author Dallas Posts:843 Points:177,970 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:56:36 PM Ignore geoag02 Report Abuse Something like this is a must to make wind generated energy practical. Without it the wind is just too unpredictable.
Wierbe Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,762 Points:1,121,065 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:56:24 PM Ignore Wierbe Report Abuse Interesting. How much will it cost me in grant money?
iamforiu Champion Author Indiana Posts:3,585 Points:713,690 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:50:42 PM Ignore iamforiu Report Abuse ok
USCCRN Sophomore Author Long Island Posts:145 Points:104,240 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:48:32 PM Ignore USCCRN Report Abuse Any plausible idea to receive Federal grant money paid by the taxpayers to pay the salaries of the researchers and scientists that are researching this energy method, even if later on it shows it's not a plausible solution.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,937 Points:1,577,905 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:42:33 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse interesting idea--if it works
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,836 Points:1,432,700 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:40:00 PM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse This has got to be a scam...
armey Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,296 Points:310,355 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:39:40 PM Ignore armey Report Abuse Uh sounds cool!
milespergallon Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,759 Points:1,911,285 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:37:27 PM Ignore milespergallon Report Abuse Just can NOT imagine what the ROI would be on this dream
singlemom27 Champion Author Ventura Posts:3,123 Points:642,135 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:37:02 PM Ignore singlemom27 Report Abuse wind generation is a great alternative to fossil fuels
tidalwave3 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,308 Points:1,465,580 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:36:46 PM Ignore tidalwave3 Report Abuse sounds like an idea but ....
mikekoonie Veteran Author Appleton Posts:468 Points:584,485 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:34:59 PM Ignore mikekoonie Report Abuse We'll see
flghtmedic All-Star Author Pensacola Posts:517 Points:384,705 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:34:24 PM Ignore flghtmedic Report Abuse Ok
Fhuang66 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,329 Points:914,350 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:33:25 PM Ignore Fhuang66 Report Abuse Never heard about this power storage.
WIPACKERFAN Champion Author Chicago Posts:8,814 Points:1,845,400 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:28:58 PM Ignore WIPACKERFAN Report Abuse We'll see.
Yankee829 Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,216 Points:561,540 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:28:49 PM Ignore Yankee829 Report Abuse Ok
naiiawah Champion Author Boise Posts:2,400 Points:691,800 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:27:31 PM Ignore naiiawah Report Abuse Another innovative solution.