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passhighgas Rookie Author Houston Posts:5 Points:200 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 12, 2008 2:21:51 PM Ignore passhighgas Report Abuse Throughout history some of the most amazing innovations have come about through stressful/horrid times. Medical treatments greatly improved soon after the both of the world wars. Fixing our dependence on fossil fuels will also eventually come from people no longer being able to afford driving a car and the subsequently effect on the economy. Seriously, would we be having this discussion if gas was 99 cents a gallon. This is an evolutionary process of sorts that will eventually provide the solution.

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Throughout history some of the most amazing innovations have come about through stressful/horrid times. Medical treatments greatly improved soon after the both of the world wars. Fixing our dependence on fossil fuels will also eventually come from people no longer being able to afford driving a car and the subsequently effect on the economy. Seriously, would we be having this discussion if gas was 99 cents a gallon. This is an evolutionary process of sorts that will eventually provide the solution.

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LanguageMan1 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,738 Points:1,664,715 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jun 19, 2008 1:50:30 AM Ignore LanguageMan1 Report Abuse Yes, and others did other things as well! In California in the '70's there were as many as 200 test vehicles on the road. I was going to build one myself. Couldn't come up with the money or backers. The backers we're all talk.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,377 Points:2,146,425 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jun 18, 2008 10:32:10 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse LanguageMan1 wrote: >But water can be broken down into a fuel source, it was done 30 >years ago. Saturn V used LOX/LH2 (cryogenic hydrogen and oxygen) 40 years ago.
LanguageMan1 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,738 Points:1,664,715 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jun 14, 2008 3:03:34 PM Ignore LanguageMan1 Report Abuse But water can be broken down into a fuel source, it was done 30 years ago.
wschmrdr All-Star Author Albany Posts:666 Points:120,460 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Jun 14, 2008 12:50:01 PM Ignore wschmrdr Report Abuse Nobody said something had to burn for the vehicle to run. Consider solar vehicles: nothing burns. Obviously it's not a "fuel" according to your definition, but it's still an alternative energy source, and until it's proven to be impossible, let's not rule it out.
Sealer Champion Author Charleston Posts:5,653 Points:838,850 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jun 14, 2008 12:28:13 PM Ignore Sealer Report Abuse Water is not a fuel. Water can never be a fuel. Water does not burn. Fire fighters actually use water to put out fires!
wschmrdr All-Star Author Albany Posts:666 Points:120,460 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Jun 14, 2008 7:08:34 AM Ignore wschmrdr Report Abuse I believe I saw yesterday a vehicle that was made to run on water. It was able to get 50 MPH for about an hour a liter (to those that don't know metric, about 3:45 to the gallon). This also makes me wonder if the water is in any way re-usable. The Alternative fuel vehicle. [Edited by: wschmrdr at 6/14/2008 8:09:03 AM EST]
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,377 Points:2,146,425 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jun 13, 2008 3:59:25 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse CyberZug wrote: >Let us not forget that some medical breakthroughs came during the >Holocost are of questionable nature. Steroids, Cyanide, and >mustard gases. The toxicity of cyanide has been known for hundreds of years. Mustard gas dates back to WWI. Steroids have legitimate medical uses and were first developed in the 1950s.
Sealer Champion Author Charleston Posts:5,653 Points:838,850 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jun 13, 2008 9:08:46 AM Ignore Sealer Report Abuse Good point, passhighgas. That's why we don't already have an alternative fuel. Once there's sufficient economic incentive to develop an alternative fuel, free market innovation will develop one.
LanguageMan1 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,738 Points:1,664,715 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jun 13, 2008 1:00:19 AM Ignore LanguageMan1 Report Abuse Innovation doesn't come from desperation alone; it also comes from wanting to do things better or cheaper or whatever. If I can get 20% better mileage, so can anyone. Actually, there are over 50% of the people here in this country alone who combined waste over 10% of their fuel. If you don't think that 10% more fuel on the market would lower prices, you're wrong. Now, if we used 20 to 30% less, we'd really be a lot better off for a while.
CyberZug Sophomore Author Connecticut Posts:110 Points:53,520 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 12, 2008 3:39:42 PM Ignore CyberZug Report Abuse Let us not forget that some medical breakthroughs came during the Holocost are of questionable nature. Steroids, Cyanide, and mustard gases. The atomic bomb in Japan. The 'Nam allowed us to use agent orange, and lord knows what our vets were subjected to during the first gulf war. Lets not destroy life for something as fleeting as oil, Henry Ford was an amazing innovator, and I believe if we go back to some of the ways he did things it could enable us to move forward without the mass destruction we are so famous for. And as far as cost, if the right amount of attention is paid to the proper industries the cost would pay for itself in less then five years. I'll let you research Henry Ford for yourself, if you are interested. But I know where the answer lies. [Edited by: CyberZug at 6/12/2008 4:42:48 PM EST]
1nd4spd Rookie Author Las Vegas Posts:10 Points:13,870 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 12, 2008 2:47:39 PM Ignore 1nd4spd Report Abuse Too bad the solution costs a chunk of change as well